Flagrant Fouls and Ejections
Posted by: Daniel Sagal in NBA, tags: Flagrant Foul, Ronnie Price, Ronny TuriafThe league has already made it clear that there are various issues that will be discussed regarding the league. The two issues brought up so far are the potential for more use of instant replay, after the obvious three pointer that wasn’t waived off at the end of the 3rd quarter between the Orlando Magic and the Detroit Piston. The other issue, fouling off the ball. Teams like the San Antonio Spurs have gotten away with it for so many years, including Shaq’s entire tenure in LA and now the post season with Shaq playing for the Suns.
I strongly believe there is another issue to consider though. I wrote an article a while back about the referees inconsistencies in calling games. The flagrant foul has long been a call that has bothered me.
The following is the rule directly as it appears in the text of the NBA rule book:
Section IV–Flagrant Foul
a. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul–penalty (1) will be assessed. A personal foul is charged to the offender and a team foul is charged to the team.
PENALTY: (1) Two free throws shall be attempted and the ball awarded to the offended team on either side of the court at the free throw line extended. (2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt his free throws, the opposing coach will select any player from the bench to attempt the free throws. (3) This substitute may not be replaced until the ball is legally touched by a player on the court. (EXCEPTION: Rule 3–Section V–e.) (4) The injured player may not return to the game. (5) A player will be ejected if he commits two flagrant fouls in the same game.
b. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpret-ed to be unnecessary and excessive, a flagrant foul–penalty (2) will be assessed. A personal foul is charged to the offender and a team foul is charged to the team.
PENALTY: (1) Two free throws shall be attempted and the ball awarded to the offended team on either side of the court at the free throw line extended. (2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt his free throws, his coach will select a substitute and any player from the team is eligible to attempt the free throws. (3) This substitute may not be replaced until the ball is legally touched by a player on the court. EXCEPTION: Rule 3–Section V–e. (4) The injured player may return to the game at any time after the free throws are attempted. (5) This is an unsports-manlike act and the offender is ejected.
c. A flagrant foul may be assessed whether the ball is dead or alive.
Now allow me to review how this reflects on yesterday’s play of Ronny Turiaf fouling Ronnie Price during Game 4 of the West semifinals between the Los Angeles Lakers and the Utah Jazz. Turiaf was awarded a flagrant foul–penalty (2) which is defined as, “contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpret-ed to be unnecessary and excessive.” Was the foul unneccesary, no. Was the foul excessive, no. SO HOW WAS IT A FLAGRANT 2? The foul was a body foul and there was absolutely no contact to the head of Price. The only contact came from the body and a bit on the arms of Price. Let’s also not forget that Price was the one running into him, it’s not Turiaf’s fault that he’s seven inches taller than Price.
The impact of Price hitting the floor was quite bad as he has a small body and was out of control. Although the foul came after the officials had already blown the whistle, if Ronny just turned around and let Price continue on, it would’ve been an “+1″ and potentially a three point play. Who let’s things like that happen in the playoffs. Unnecessary and excessive are very clear words. The way that this foul was interpreted by the officials, even after reviewing the video of it, is that Ronny Turiaf did not need to foul Price in this situation, and that his foul was extreme and over the top. WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT.
Let’s suppose for a moment that it was a flagrant foul. If the flagrant (2) foul is deemed as “unsportsmanlike conduct” than said player is to be ejected. Was Ronny Turiaf’s play unsportsmanlike? NO. ESPN later reported with the following:
Price, who finished with four points, two assists and a block in Utah’s 123-115 overtime victory, said he didn’t think Turiaf was trying to hurt him.
“Those kind of plays happen in the playoffs,” said Price, who needed four stitches to close the cut.
With all this said Mr. Commissioner, I have added another item to your list this summer. Perhaps it is finally the time that this league avoid transforming into the WNBA and the guys that are paid millions of dollars a year finally start playing like men. Go meet with the referees and explain to them that you can’t throw guys out simply because the tried to stop a lay up in a playoff game that is so tight. It just doesn’t make sense, speaking of which, does this have anything to do with Tim Donaghy? Was that him sitting on the sideline taking bets from the Mormons?
PS. Also to come in the future. penalties for flopping… Matt Harpring really drives me crazy!!!
HYPE IT UP!!



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May 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Ok. I am a Jazz fan and can agree to some point. I do not believe it should have been a flagrant 2, it should have been a flagrant 1. I don’t think Turiaf did anything intentionally to hurt Price he was making a play on the ball and it was a hard foul, but when you say that Price was out of control your are now just being stupid. He was going for continuation and was in control the whole time until Turiaf hit him. It was a hard foul that should have been a Flagrant 1 but don’t try and blame it on Ronnie Price being out of control. Watch the video again without your yellow and purple glasses on.
May 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I appreciate the comment and can understand where you are coming from. However, what I referred to by Ronnie Price being out of control is that his upper torso was already behind his legs when he was going up. If you watch the video, he looks like he got scared of the block and tried to lean back to throw up a prayer reconsidering the dunk. Hesitation is what makes plays look worse than they are, and that is precisely what happened. This call was made simply based on “body to floor” contact rather than “player to player” contact. Thats my issue with the play and thats the reason Ronny Turiaf was not suspended for Game 5.
By the way, going along with the fact that even you, a Utah Jazz fan, believe the call should’ve been a Flagrant 1 and not a Flagrant 2, results in the fact that Ronny should not have been ejected and the Lakers would’ve had the service of Turiaf rather than Mbenga to finish off the game. Turiaf is clearly our best rebounder behind Lamar Odom.